Life Liberty is very rarely about politics, or the media, or anything too serious, quite frankly, cos I reckon we have enough serious issues in our daily lives to annoy us as it is.
But ever once in a while I feel the need. The insatiable need to bitch about the ignorance that some have. Specifically about homosexuality.
If you've ever needed proof that there are still some people out there who have this juvenile, narrow-minded assumption that being gay is just about perverted acts of butt-fucking and ball-sucking, here it is:
KUALA LUMPUR, July 8(Bernama) – By Melati Mohd Ariff
Literally, the term homosexual refers to sexual relationship between the same gender, either man and man or woman and woman.
Homosexuality is usually contrasted with heterosexuality and bisexuality.
Traditionally, the term gay is used predominantly to refer to homosexual males, while lesbian is a gender-specific term that is only used for homosexual females.
The term homosexual is also used for the same-sex sexual relations between persons of the same sex who are not gay or lesbian.
In the West, the morally wrong and corrupt homosexual act has turned into a sort of plague, spreading its tentacles far and wide, engulfing individuals with the tendency of adopting this immoral self-indulgence.
In the country today, the ‘gay’ lifestyle is believed to have sprouted rampantly. A point to note is the mushrooming of the gay clubs.
A news report yesterday came out with a revelation that shocked many, gay comics, said to be sold at RM50 each, is believed to be a hot item among those aged 25 and above.
But the question is that, is this upsetting trend is mushrooming?
WORRYING TREND?
The Malaysian Muslim Consumers Association (PPIM) secretary-general, Datuk Dr Maamor Osman, said the homosexual act in the country had grown to a worrying trend.
The tendency to perform homosexual acts is there, as shown by the proliferation of gay bars, Dr Maamor, who is also a general medical practitioner, told Bernama.
"In the Quran, it is said that Allah the Al-Mighty had obliterated Luth’s people for their indulgence in homosexual acts.
“There is no forgiveness for such debauchery, to the extent that it angers Allah the Al-Mighty," said Dr Maamor.
RISKS
On the health aspect, Dr Maamor said homosexuals who indulge in anal intercourse are prone to various risks.
"Each of the human organs has their respective systems including blood circulation, nerves, immunity and other systems. The woman’s sexual organ, and hormones are different from that of the man.
"There are specialised cells for certain functions. Unfortunately for some humans, they resorted to commit deviations," he said.
According to Dr Maamor, the human’s gastro-intestinal system begins right from the mouth until the anus. The system is outfitted with specialised cells for the digestion and absorption of food.
"There is the rhythmic (intestinal) muscle movement, known as peristalsis. And if this system is disturbed, like when anal intercourse occurs, it will invite damage to the person’s physical, emotional and spiritual attributes.
"As this system is not for erroneous acts, it invites various risks like the Aids, hepatitis, haemorrhoids and septicemia (bacterial infection of the blood), said Dr Maamor, adding that this unnatural sex act also provokes various sexually transmitted diseases".
IMMORAL ACT
The Malaysian Islamic Youth Movement (Abim) president Yusri Mohamad said that a homosexual act is a serious immoral and criminal offence.
"There is no difference between a homosexual act and adultery. Hence, severe punishment should be handed down against homosexuals. Prevention and punishment must be executed”, said Yusri.
He said the ‘doors’ that invite people to commit this sin should be permanently closed and sealed.
"Take immediate action against centres or clubs where the homosexuals gather, like revoking the operating licence.
"Websites and magazines that may have room for homosexual-oriented messages should be monitored and action taken against them," he said.
Yusri calls on the authorities to conduct raids, akin to that held for drug-prevention operations at nightspots and entertainment centres.
Hence, the government is seen as taking stern and firm action to curb this moral decadence, unlike the western nations that provide the so-called ‘freedom’ to such debauchery.
CANNOT BE ACCEPTED
"There is not much account on homosexuals in the Indian community, in some cases there are bisexuals but that is not their wishes.
“Even the Hindu religion does not accept homosexual practices”, the Malaysian Hindu Sangham president Datuk A.Vaithilingam told Bernama.
Vaithilingam calls on parents to exercise caution in and give the issue serious look in the efforts to prevent their children from being trapped in the
homosexual clutches.
He said the community should be exposed to education and counselling on the homosexual topic to create awareness among the public on the ills and evils of
this felony.
Serious attention should also be given against illicit sexual relations in order to prevent it from becoming a menace to the society.
IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION
This act, which is like a malignant cancer, should not be allowed to spread its tentacles, as it threatens to bring destruction and devastation to the
society.
Hence, education for the youngsters particularly for those in schools and universities is crucial to prevent the society from being engulfed by this
immoral act.
In this context, Dr Maamor concurs with Vaithilingam that the parents need to boost their knowledge in order to shoulder the immense task of preventing their offsprings from being drawn into the evils of homosexual acts.
Parents should not feel embarrassed if they ask for advice and counselling from the experts to overcome this issue.
JAKIM
Dr Maamor also calls on the Islamic Advancement Department (Jakim) to adopt an approach where doctors and psychiatrists can brief mosque officials on the issue apart from setting up the integrated referral centres at the mosques.
Similar concepts can be applied at institutions for the other religions in the country, he said.
Dr Maamor said the Information Ministry can use the electronic media to disseminate information on the warfare against this social scourge.
"We may be giving the wrong impression as if the authorities are tolerating this immoral act”, he said.
Meanwhile Yusri calls on the authorities to monitor artistes and actors that portray the 'feminine’ image.
"We are not saying that all of the womanly males as gays but many of the gays are from this group.
"We do not wish these people to be used as the illustration and model”, he said.
Clearly, the homosexual phenomenon is against the human’s natural behaviour and should be swiftly and firmly dealt with.
Not everyone wants to see the country to be overwhelmed by the influx of moral decadence that erupt from those who are out to draw the people into the dark ages of morality. -- BERNAMA
Literally, the term homosexual refers to sexual relationship between the same gender, either man and man or woman and woman.
Homosexuality is usually contrasted with heterosexuality and bisexuality.
Traditionally, the term gay is used predominantly to refer to homosexual males, while lesbian is a gender-specific term that is only used for homosexual females.
The term homosexual is also used for the same-sex sexual relations between persons of the same sex who are not gay or lesbian.
In the West, the morally wrong and corrupt homosexual act has turned into a sort of plague, spreading its tentacles far and wide, engulfing individuals with the tendency of adopting this immoral self-indulgence.
In the country today, the ‘gay’ lifestyle is believed to have sprouted rampantly. A point to note is the mushrooming of the gay clubs.
A news report yesterday came out with a revelation that shocked many, gay comics, said to be sold at RM50 each, is believed to be a hot item among those aged 25 and above.
But the question is that, is this upsetting trend is mushrooming?
WORRYING TREND?
The Malaysian Muslim Consumers Association (PPIM) secretary-general, Datuk Dr Maamor Osman, said the homosexual act in the country had grown to a worrying trend.
The tendency to perform homosexual acts is there, as shown by the proliferation of gay bars, Dr Maamor, who is also a general medical practitioner, told Bernama.
"In the Quran, it is said that Allah the Al-Mighty had obliterated Luth’s people for their indulgence in homosexual acts.
“There is no forgiveness for such debauchery, to the extent that it angers Allah the Al-Mighty," said Dr Maamor.
RISKS
On the health aspect, Dr Maamor said homosexuals who indulge in anal intercourse are prone to various risks.
"Each of the human organs has their respective systems including blood circulation, nerves, immunity and other systems. The woman’s sexual organ, and hormones are different from that of the man.
"There are specialised cells for certain functions. Unfortunately for some humans, they resorted to commit deviations," he said.
According to Dr Maamor, the human’s gastro-intestinal system begins right from the mouth until the anus. The system is outfitted with specialised cells for the digestion and absorption of food.
"There is the rhythmic (intestinal) muscle movement, known as peristalsis. And if this system is disturbed, like when anal intercourse occurs, it will invite damage to the person’s physical, emotional and spiritual attributes.
"As this system is not for erroneous acts, it invites various risks like the Aids, hepatitis, haemorrhoids and septicemia (bacterial infection of the blood), said Dr Maamor, adding that this unnatural sex act also provokes various sexually transmitted diseases".
IMMORAL ACT
The Malaysian Islamic Youth Movement (Abim) president Yusri Mohamad said that a homosexual act is a serious immoral and criminal offence.
"There is no difference between a homosexual act and adultery. Hence, severe punishment should be handed down against homosexuals. Prevention and punishment must be executed”, said Yusri.
He said the ‘doors’ that invite people to commit this sin should be permanently closed and sealed.
"Take immediate action against centres or clubs where the homosexuals gather, like revoking the operating licence.
"Websites and magazines that may have room for homosexual-oriented messages should be monitored and action taken against them," he said.
Yusri calls on the authorities to conduct raids, akin to that held for drug-prevention operations at nightspots and entertainment centres.
Hence, the government is seen as taking stern and firm action to curb this moral decadence, unlike the western nations that provide the so-called ‘freedom’ to such debauchery.
CANNOT BE ACCEPTED
"There is not much account on homosexuals in the Indian community, in some cases there are bisexuals but that is not their wishes.
“Even the Hindu religion does not accept homosexual practices”, the Malaysian Hindu Sangham president Datuk A.Vaithilingam told Bernama.
Vaithilingam calls on parents to exercise caution in and give the issue serious look in the efforts to prevent their children from being trapped in the
homosexual clutches.
He said the community should be exposed to education and counselling on the homosexual topic to create awareness among the public on the ills and evils of
this felony.
Serious attention should also be given against illicit sexual relations in order to prevent it from becoming a menace to the society.
IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION
This act, which is like a malignant cancer, should not be allowed to spread its tentacles, as it threatens to bring destruction and devastation to the
society.
Hence, education for the youngsters particularly for those in schools and universities is crucial to prevent the society from being engulfed by this
immoral act.
In this context, Dr Maamor concurs with Vaithilingam that the parents need to boost their knowledge in order to shoulder the immense task of preventing their offsprings from being drawn into the evils of homosexual acts.
Parents should not feel embarrassed if they ask for advice and counselling from the experts to overcome this issue.
JAKIM
Dr Maamor also calls on the Islamic Advancement Department (Jakim) to adopt an approach where doctors and psychiatrists can brief mosque officials on the issue apart from setting up the integrated referral centres at the mosques.
Similar concepts can be applied at institutions for the other religions in the country, he said.
Dr Maamor said the Information Ministry can use the electronic media to disseminate information on the warfare against this social scourge.
"We may be giving the wrong impression as if the authorities are tolerating this immoral act”, he said.
Meanwhile Yusri calls on the authorities to monitor artistes and actors that portray the 'feminine’ image.
"We are not saying that all of the womanly males as gays but many of the gays are from this group.
"We do not wish these people to be used as the illustration and model”, he said.
Clearly, the homosexual phenomenon is against the human’s natural behaviour and should be swiftly and firmly dealt with.
Not everyone wants to see the country to be overwhelmed by the influx of moral decadence that erupt from those who are out to draw the people into the dark ages of morality. -- BERNAMA
First and foremost, where the hell did Bernama find this writer? "The Aids"? Not only is her English at the bottom end of the linguistic barrel of laughs, she makes sweeping God-like assumptions with statements like this one:
"....the morally wrong and corrupt homosexual act has turned into a sort of plague, spreading its tentacles far and wide, engulfing individuals with the tendency of adopting this immoral self-indulgence"
And this:
"This act, which is like a malignant cancer, should not be allowed to spread its tentacles, as it threatens to bring destruction and devastation to the society."
Devastation to society? Drawing people into the dark ages of morality? Seriously, who died and made Ms. Melati Queen of moral rights and wrongs? And to add some degree of credit to her story, she quotes one Dr. Maamor, who not only assumes that anal intercourse is the heart and soul of homosexual relationships, but in his infinite medical wisdom, proclaims that "there is the rhythmic (intestinal) muscle movement, known as peristalsis. And if this system is disturbed, like when anal intercourse occurs,invite damage to the person’s physical, emotional and spiritual attributes". So you get some gas, sometimes, when you're doing the horizontal mambo with your man, but hell, the good man makes the whole act sound like its an act of signing your own death warrant. Talk about drama queens.
Dr. Maamor goes on to proclaim, in his infinite religious wisdom, that homosexuality is a "deviant act unforgiveable by God". Unforgiveable by God? Seriously. One wonders if the dear old M.D. slags off masturbation and polygamy with the same conviction.
The good doctor also attributes homosexuality for the spread of AIDS and various other diseases. One wonders if the man realises that data published by the Centre for Disease Control in the US has proven that the heterosexual spread of the disease has far outpaced homosexual spread of AIDS since 1989. In fact, the United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS estimates that fewer than 5% of HIV transmissions occur through sexual intercourse between men. So much for the spread of "THE AIDS". You'd expect a piece of journalistic rubbish like this from a low-rent tabloid or a left-wing religious newsletter, but for it to have come from the national news agency is abso-friggin-lutely shocking.
One has to wonder - is it a mere coincidence that this article comes at a time when homosexuality seems to be the latest fad in Malaysian politics? Wanna get rid of someone? Just say he's gay. Then get the national news agency to publish an article about the ungodly nature of butt-fucking. Job done. Malaysian politics. You've gotta love it.
Either way, it's just plain shocking to find that in 2008, this kind of homophobia is being endorsed by the media. You'd think they'd know better. And you'd think they'd have far more important issues to address with their pens.
You can view the original article here, and if you're ever so inclined, do write in to the editor of Bernama to tell him or her what you think of the rubbish they're peddling these days.
On a sidenote, Life Liberty goes on a short hiatus again for a couple of days starting tomorrow. Time to do some real work. All-day meetings lined with the "other" Queen in the buttfuck corners of Summit USJ has conspired to push the pause button on my blogging activities *groan*. She better have Starbucks waiting. HOT starbucks. And I mean SEARING hot.

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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 263 Newer› Newest»Oh this article is RICH. So juvenile hur hur... sounds like something I would write... BACK IN PRIMARY SCHOOL.
I am with Colin...written in the land time and tolerance left behind.
Oh my GOD!!!!! This came from BERNAMA?!?!?!?! What rubbish!
wow... wait till one of their kids turn gay... haha..
mee kolok!
"But the question is that, is this upsetting trend is mushrooming?"
Her England is so the powderful. She might as well say, "But the soalan is, this trend is berkulat?"
So farnee la... I am more tickled than offended.
Good morning Malaysia!
Though I don't think it's a very good day for the community over there.
Malaysian media needs to catch up with the rest of the world. Homosexuality is here to stay.
This was published with one thing in mind. Our ex DPM's sodomy case.
This piece of journalistic rubbish is juvenile, shallow and narrow minded. It's just shocking that it came from Bernama.
Any editor worth his salt would have put a stop to this article the moment it came to his table.
It's 2008, for crying out loud! Joshua is right. Homosexuality is here to stay.
Are you sure Bernama didn't lift this off Dewan Pelajar or something hur hur...
Hur hur. I have this image in my head, of a Form 5 student writing this as an assignment. And getting an F.
oh my god!!!!!!!!!!
This article SUCKS!!!!!!!!!
And it's from BERNAMA?!?!?!?!
Holy cow. Who's this Melati girl? She should be SHOT!
Books. It's KOLOK MEE - not the other way around :D hur hur
That's why I prefer reading blogs nowadays.
Read this and signed it off as trash. Especially the peristalsis bit and some other article about how that sodomy victim thingy was constipated. *Rolls eyes*
He was constipated? really?
Hur hur. He needs a bit of nutaya :P
Did any other newspaper pick up on this or republish this article?
sigh... you know before we crucify this lady... the gay community needs to take some responsibility as well.. there needs to be a catalyst for change... and either its time or, if you want it quick, some outstanding figure or organisation that is not scared to stand up for what it believes in.
She likes to use "tentacles"
wah... like so serious onli...
This article is priceless! Don't blame only the reporter, but also the Editor who allowed it to be published!
ASD, where's our Kolok Mee?
Trouble is,asd, that it's a double edged sword, fighting for gay rights here.
As long as laws are in place that specifically target homosexuals, no one is going to stand up and fight.
We're not actually crucifying this lady. Not specifically anyway. She probably got her instructions from higher authorities to write this piece of crap. We should be blaming bernama as a whole for letting this get published.
kolo mee is all stored.. sigh.. now trying to offload it on the bike...
And yes, ASD. You still owe us Kolok Mee. 5 packs each.
rdl... then we wait for that to change.. may take a while.. but it will eventually change...
I reckon it's a lot easier said than done, standing up and fighting for gay rights in Asia.
A conservative society, coupled with unwaveringly traditional governments and archaic laws conspire to make the work of the usual asian gay activist a lot harder than that of one working for the same cause in, say, the States.
It took AGES for Europe to accept homosexuality. Change in asia will not happen overnight. But articles like these certainly don't help.
Gloomy wednesday morning... reading this made me feel a bit like we're living in the pre war 30s and 40s... I cld imagine myself .... being a jew in Berlin... aiyo... to be shot to death, for just being a jew... somehow...
Imagine being put to death for the love of KKC...
hi Josh.. actually not all asian countries abhor homos... the Chinese have long accepted it but with a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy... Thailand's pretty relaxed about their gay men...
Josh hit the nail right on the head.
I think everyone accepts the fact that homosexuality exists. And most guys I know adopt the "don't ask, don't tell" mindset and quietly accept the whole deal.
But certainly, articles like these, from national news agencies, certainly don't help.
Not asking is not acceptance, Merv.
Neither is quiet acknowledgement.
Acceptance requires open admission, I reckon.
I'm with josh on this one. Quiet acceptance is no acceptance at all.
http://niamah.blogspot.com/2008/07/hearbreaks-in-silence.html
No wonder the Bernama article looks familiar..now to read ther est of the article.
Yes I agree with you Josh... but it's been like that.. and up to the point, it became acceptable... in China...
and it will take some time when it's acceptable for 2 guys or 2 girls to hold hands or do a P.D.A in the open...
I don't think it's legally possible for two men or two women to get married in China. How is THAT acceptance??
Quiet acceptance is basically sweeping the issue under the carpet. It achieves nothing.
I don't think homosexuality is accepted at all in China. It's quietly tolerated, for sure, but only because it's just logistically impossible to put every gay man and lesbian woman in jail.
I think we'll be seeing more of this type of article until the whole Anwar debacle is over.
anon. . . ever heard of the eunuchs.??? i'm talking about the past china... it was accepted in the forbidden palaces... u have eunuchs and their admirers... there's even a scroll of paintings depicting various acts of the 'forbidden love'... which i find it to be a gay version of the kama sutra. like wise in india, past kingdoms... they have some story or pictorial accounts of gay love... between the men and the women... Now, it's a different, homosexuality is still underground but the gay population in china is spreading its 'tentacles' all over the red flag.. .heheheheheh
Erm..as for tht Hinduism doesn't condone bla,bla..what about that community of transexuals that are considered deity like in India? Funny..and Hindu's believe in re-incarnation and hence the soul has no real gender?
Or maybe I'm wrong..
I agree with everyone... it means nothing. . . and it's not acceptable to don't ask and don't tell. . .
Oh dear.
And that's another reason for me to consider relocating.
I think as long as there are legal means to prosecute members of the community, it's not acceptance. Having to spread one's tentacles underground is not acceptance.
SC... good point. The tranny deities 'Hijra' are known to be invited to weddings to give blessings to newly wed couples... they are treated as 'asuras' a term for half god half demon.. be wary of their existence and don't play play with them lo....
You're right, SC. I don't recall any Hindu teachings about the wrongs of being gay. But i DO remember the teachings about loving God's creations in all it's forms. Be it gay or straight.
Your majesty...
Where would you relocate to, Jr?
There are only a handful of countries that actually officially recognise the homosexual community.
and in Buddhism, everyone is accepted... Sex is a natural act and of course, there has to be some degree of control.. Moderation is the word... Buddha taught to respect and accept all diversity. . .
Wherever you go, Jr, there will always be gay bashers. Even in the most gay friendly places. It's human nature to fear and hate what you don't fully understand. And the level of ignorance can astound you.
Netherlands perhaps? or Taiwan?
the same quote from the Buddha, Nut. . .
Religious teachings are all subject to interpretation.
You're right, Nut. Most religions condemn polygamy. And certainly some state that masturbation is condemned. But hell, we still do it. Why doesn't it get the same level of attention as homosexuality?
Netherlands... yay...
Don't get TOO excited, asd. Gay hate crimesstill exists even in gay-friendly Netherlands. Remember the Chris Crain incident?
Chris Crain? Who's that?
What happened?
My two cents..Truth is, I don't always understand what it means to be gay or lesbian or a transexual, because I'm neither of these.And I think many people are like me, they don't understand. That's why they come up with all this rubbish.
But then hor..the whole article itself is probably politically motivated anyway, so..
A couple of years back Chris Crain, an openly gay American journalist and his boyfriend, who were in Amsterdam on holiday, were, without provocation, beaten by gay-bashers on the supposedly gay friendly streets of the Netherlands.
Speaking of which, on the sunday, there was a certain ex finance minister with his entourage of 50 people met up in McSaucy's ex workplace. . . It is true... they discuss the country's business at kopitiams... hahahahahahaha. . .
This is funny... the rakyat want to eat and relax, they took up all the spaces. . .
SC - Ignorance breeds fear. Fear breeds stupidity. That's why these articles crop up now and then.
LOL. I have not figured where YET.
You are right, Nut. But if i were to relocate one day, it's not just because of this silly homophobic society we live in.
I will probably move to the mountains where i can ski everyday.
A grim reminder of what happened to the young gay student who was murdered by his college mate in a university in USA. . . what's his name?
Kopitiam Politics. A uniquely Malaysian experience. hur hur
Yodel all you want Jr. . . and eat nice chocolates too!
I couldn't agree with Anonymous more. Human nature to fear what they don't understand.
I bet you look nice in the green shorts and the funny cap! :D HUR HUR HUR!
LOL. Nut. Have you NOT taught Jr what "skiing" means in gay-speak? :D
Nut... the hordes of black posh cars surrounding Chawan and mind you, parked haphazardly. . . disregarding traffic rules... that is certainly very malaysian... if our leaders can do that, so can the rakyat . . . monkey see, monkey do. . .
That's the thing. If someone does not understand, just ask.
But it should come straight from the horse's mouth. I don't think it's that hard to grasp the concept.
We just have feelings for someone and it happens to be of the same sex. If you were to tell that to a kid, i think they are more willing to accept the fact.
Then again, you've gotta ask the right person. Trouble is, most people seek answers via Google. And they end up getting gay porn sites.
Agree Jr . . . to see the world with a child's perspective...
And hur hur. No. The skiing issue has never cropped up, J....until now, that is :D
Nut / J: You two are NUTS! I'm talking about skiing/snowboarding. Not what they do in the steamroom.
:D Hur Hur Hur... google is the new GOD of the century!
Children are not bogged down by hand-me-down preconceptions of what's normal and what's not.
Trouble is, that degree of innocence and acceptance quickly withers away the moment they go to school.
Hur hur. Jr remembers his lessons well :D
Merv - Google...good for random searches, but awful as a tool to curb stereotypes. :P
Josh. . . there was an old monk who taught me this:
If you could see the world with a child's perspective you will find a special kind of happiness that is eternal and a state of mind, untroubled by the chaos of the world. . .
Or the moment they're old enough to absorb info from homophobic parents, Josh :P
what to do nut? I agree with you. . . perhaps people shld start thinking MONO..... :D hur hur hur!
Question is though, is that innocence and happiness out of ignorance or out of knowing better than to judge?
Perfectly valid question, Anon.
As they say. Ignorancce IS bliss.
I think it's a case of "what you don't know won't hurt you". Kids don't know any better. And they have no point of reference of what's right and wrong. Until someone TELLS them.
J: Peer pressure.
That is.
But i want to highlight one thing. I recalled ASD mentioned that our kinds have flawed genes. My very first reaction after listening to that... i felt like smacking him. Then again, he was entitled to his own opinion.
But my gut tells me that there are no genes out there that are perfect. If there's one, it would have been God, himself/herself.
Valid points. A child's innocence is often the result of ignorance. But that doesn't tend to last very long.
Ooh i love philosophy. Did everyone ever read the book Sophie's World?
Right and wrong. Rdlchic, how sure of what you think is right is actually right? And what is wrong?
Too subjective.
It is up to your own perspective. . . how you feel, act, think is all up to your mind and heart. . .
it's not just about philosophy Jr, it's about finding out who you are and how you react to this world...
Actually, Jr., ASD has a point.
Well, kinda.
I read that reseach done here in the States has shown that there are distinct differences in the way the homosexual brain is constituted. So it may very well be a case of gay men and lesbian women being naturally "wired" differently from heterosexual folk.
Nature vs nurture. Classic argument.
Jr. said...
Nut / J: You two are NUTS! I'm talking about skiing/snowboarding. Not what they do in the steamroom.
11:57 AM
What they do in steam room ? I'm not familliar with the terms.... Hehehe
Is wired = defect genes?
I would rather be gay than to have cancer then.
Nut - time to put on your robe and teach!
Alright, i'm going out to lunch now. Bye folks.
wah.. spoken like a true gay boi... Nut shld be proud of you Jr. . . :D
I suppose the way our brains are wired is vaguely related to our genes, Jr.
Jr. sayang... its either nurture or nature.. if we saying that its not in the DNA, then its the environment that made us gay (ie our parents or school or something)...
i am not saying that gays are flawed people... just that the DNA is flawed. Maybe its natures way of saying stop breeding people...
I'd tend to think that gay was a nurtured. Maybe I'm wrong.
Reason being a twin who has identical genes could end up one being and one not....
I'd use the word "DIFFERENT" rather than "FLAWED", asd....
tummy is growling . . see u guys.
I personally think it's a bit of both. Even if a person has a predisposition of being gay, it's his environment that ultimately decides if he/she chooses to explore the pink side of life.
I'd have to agree with Nut here. Saying our DNA is flawed indicates that we are, in essence flawed creatures. Which we are most certainly not.
Wow. This is the most serious post ever on Life Liberty...
Some interesting readings from Wikipedia. Go take a look.
What readings, David?
Since DNA are the building blocks of all human life, saying that our DNA is flawed is admission that we are, as people, flawed. Quite a damning admission, don't you think, ASD?
Thank God for law school, eh, Nut?
The importance of one's choice of words cannot be over-emphasised - LOL
I know a pair of twins. They're BOTH gay.
Hur hur. RDL. Indeed. I never thought that whole class on interpretation would be of any use. I was SO wrong :D
Are the twins hot? :D
And thank you mooney for bringing the whole discussion back to the wading pool. hur hur
LOL. Watch out, guys.
Nut's claws are out. :D
Hee hee...I almost fell off my chair laughing..
Wading pool :D LOL
Yea..I always wondered which it is..nature or nurture..but I don't think the difference in DNA means a flawed DNA though.
From a personal perspective, and from a strictly heterosexual, female point of view, gay men tend to be, in comparison to their hetero counterparts, smarter, more successful, better educated, far more thoughtful and are better company. Melati has probably never had the pleasure of being a fag hag.
jw said...
I know a pair of twins. They're BOTH gay.
12:30 PM
I know a few too.
But I also know some pairs that don't.
asha said...
What readings, David?
12:26 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality
I AGREE WITH STACY! FAG HAGS KNOW BETTER! :D
Out for lunch first..
Going lunch with Janvier since he's nearby
Well guys - time for this old man to head off to bed.
Will catch you guys when Life Liberty comes back on the blogosphere.
In two words or less, screw homophobes! :D
Cheerio folks!
J out ;)
Whoops. Looks like I missed the old man.
See ya J! :P
ooh. David and Janvier. On that tree. Which so many people from this blog has seemingly been on - LOL
Interesting read:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080616-gay-brain.html
Wow. So nut. You and I are wired the same way eh? :D hee hee
Has anyone read this book the G Quotient? Just found it on line when I was looking up this whole "gay men are more successful" thing.
Yup. Asha. You can read excerpts from it here:
http://www.gay.com/business/article.html?sernum=1749&navpath=/channels/business/
Also available at Borders.
I've been letting my colleagues read this Bernama article over lunch. Common concensus...it's rubbish.
JW: Them gay twins are the gym-going ones kah?
We've now introduced David to warm sake...hmmm. We should try cold sake next time.
Wow... I made a round to buttfuck Bangi and back and this place looks more serious than our parliament (which is as serious as a kindergarten yard).
you know, one day when all these silly sods have died and the world sees homosexuality for the biological reality it is we wont have anything else to focus our cutting gay perceptions on other than our husbands choice of curtain fabric...
if they want to lower homosexuality then they need to lower the population. nature has various methods of reigning in over population and homos (who dont have kids) is one of them.
Religions "NO BIRTH CONTROL" rules would then be seen as being counter productive hehe
LOL. They workout at FF SPK. You know them? The Malay dudes.
You calling today's blog a kindergarten, Colin?
I think Janvier is referring to the BodyJam going ones.
No, I am saying our parliament is like a kindergarten yard, don't get your knickers in a twist and start flinging tampons now asha :P
It's odd that Ision uses "homos" to describe gay men. Don't you think it's a rather insulting term?
Tampons? Of course not Colin..:P
They're sooo last season :P hahahaha
what were you doing in Bangi?
I think any labels, gay, homo, fag etc is an insult. Why apply labels, I wouldn't wanna lobby for gay rights, I just want to be accepted as human.
Due to the lack of men in my company, I had to be the expensive coolie today to carry heavy equipment from the client, which is based in buttfuck Bangi.
not being insulting Mr No Identity, quite happily gay myself thanks... just couldnt be bothered to type the whole word and am sure you know what the abriviation is.
Ah...THOSE twins. The ones from the Curve, rite?
Hur hur. Colin Mr Macho :P :D
and a term is only as insulting as you want to make it.
Gays in australia use that term amongst ourselves all the time
Nut, they go wherever there is BodyJam, they are two of some kind of BodyJam collective...
Don't think that term is as widely accepted here, Ision.
I think even Nut would be insulted if you called him a "homo"
Ayup, the BodyJamming ones. At least, we think both of them are... :S
And well we would use the terms homos/fags/queers too but we don't mean them in an insulting way.
Like the Borg eh, Colin?
Resistance is futile :P hur hur
I wonder who's their Queen hur hur... pun DEFINITELY intended
I personally don't fancy the term "homo". It may be technically correct and accurate, but for some strange reason it just sounds rude.
Colin. There is only ONE Queen....have I not thought you ANYTHING?
HUR HUR HUR
We mean, we think that they're both gay.
I'm sorry, do you claim ownership of their collective? :P
I don't see you shaking your tush in Bodyjam LOL
But Nut, it's sorta a different country altogether now. Can you BodyJam? Fight for the role to be queen over the BJ group. :P
The assumption always is that jammers are gay, right? :D LOL
Speaking of teaching, haven't you been teaching David the new way of checking his bike settings?? *Thump*
Colin :
The Queen doesn't have to do what her people does. She rules from the comfort of her RPM studio/palace. :D:D:D
You don't see Elizabeth working the farms do you? Hello?!?!?!
Asha, if you haven't noticed, there are no straight men teaching BodyJam except Stephen.
No, Colin. Cos I was gonna do it for him at the next class :P
A little one-on-one action planned :D hur hur
Ha ha...yeah. I know. Which is why he assumption is correct. Jammers are all gay :D
Which means the twins are very likely gay too :D
One-On-One-Action?
Ooohhhhhh :D
And on Nut moves from ASD to David...
Exsqueeze me.
Nut was never AT/ON/IN/UNDER asd to start with.
Janvier said...
We've now introduced David to warm sake...hmmm. We should try cold sake next time.
2:46 PM
Hehehe.. makes me sleepy.. Dang
You forgot OVER, Nut. - ha ha :D
Fine. And OVER asd for that matter :P
Sake for lunch. worse than banana leaf rice, better than sleeping pills....hur hur
We read Nut's comment as "Cos I was gonna him the next class".
:P
Oh we give a bit of leeway and assume 90% of Jammers are gay. Our straight friends joins the class too.
Colin said...
Speaking of teaching, haven't you been teaching David the new way of checking his bike settings?? *Thump*
3:19 PM
Hahaha... my nearly cramped my legs yesterday. I think is because the Pump on Monday...... SO stopped for a few times to stretch out my legs.
Don't be silly, Janvier. There's not enough space in the studio for that sorta thing :P hur hur
LOL. When are you teaching next with David in the class, Nut?
I'm SOOO gonna be there to watch :D LOL
They have been known to improvise in shower and toilet cubicles and cars. An rpm studio compared to that is nothing.
Have you seen the condition of the studio floor, Colin?
Goodness. Repetitive Passionate Movements in the studio with funky music and disco lights. Aren't you able to move the bikes?
I'm not coming for RPM this week because have adhoc band practice...
A nasty romp is a dirty act by itself, floor shloor... what's a little dirt and sweat hur hur...
Does the condition of the studio floor matter much, Nut, when you have yoga mats available?
I won't be taking the Thursday at Axis this week either. Work beckons. :(
Colin. You have SO not seen the floors.
I am worried about Janvier's "familiarity" with the situation...
And seriously. One-one-one meant personal bike adjustment services. Gutterbrains :P
I definitely notice it after you and WC have a go at the class... when you both do it, we nickname the result, Lake Wesley and Lake Eric.
I know. I'm wondering if we should sweep the studio floors with one of them CSI blacklights to look for stains.
And the two lakes eventually merge and spillover the edge of the stage as NutWes Falls??? :D
Ha ha....I think Colin has a point. You and wes sweat the most on stage during RPM. Amazing :D
It's a gym. Of course we should be a bit familiar with what's equipped and what's not. :P
And we wouldn't need McGuyver's brains to think of improvisation... :P
Speaking of which, Nut. DO NOT make the new bike's saddle slant forward, PLEASE!
I think we should just call it Carterchin Falls.
Please. That's not my doing. Those slanty seats at Axis and SPK were the collective results of 3 years of hard work on them :P
One wonders what other forms of improvisation Janvier has thought of with the gym's equipment...hur hur
Oh yeah? I don't see the same pattern occurring in gyms you and WC don't teach in. :P
Hee hee...Carterchin...cute name :D
I don't teach in SPK :P
You stay away from those dumbbells in the studio Janvier!
Or the pump bars, for that matter, Colin. :P
Nut, not anymore you mean :P
Hooo-kay we haven't thought of what can be done with dumbbells... *ponders* We'd have thought you'd mention the bars you use in BodyPump - start off with a bit o' pole dancin' and the likes...
I am going to write an email to Susan Tolj just in case Gandalf ever have THAT insane idea to make use of the pump bars for such a move.
START OFF with the pump bars...and progress the big-ass Olympic bars in the weight room, Janvier? :P hur hur
So much that we're missing out...now woncer we're still scrawny.
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